The following is a compilation of Q&A's submitted by enthusiasts and answered by Ed.
Part Seventy Q&A 1726 - 1750
1726. I have a 2005 LE PT with 50k miles. The problem only occurs when I run the A/C. If the engine is idling with the A/C on the idle will fluctuate every few seconds. As the idle drops it becomes rough and the engine shakes really bad. I have also noticed that the A/C is not putting out cold air. If you have any suggestions I would really appreciate it. – Derek, from Arkansas.
We have received two other reports with similar behavior within the last few months. In both instances it was a failing A/C compressor. I would have it checked. If the compressor checks out ok, it may be a low idle issue. The PCM adjusts engine idle speed through the idle air control valve to compensate for engine load, coolant temperature or barometric pressure changes based upon a variety of inputs, including the throttle position sensor, crankshaft position sensor, coolant temperature sensor, MAP sensor, vehicle speed sensor and various switch operations including brake, park/neutral and A/C. If the idle is not compensated for through the above actions, idle drops and you will experience rough idle and or stalling. See Tech Library, OEM Engine Performance subsection. Review stalling and low idle issues.
1727. We have a 2001 TE PT with 82k miles. My wife got home from work and stated that the car was not running right. I test drove it and found that it seemed to be stuck in 1st or 2nd gear. I had my brother-in-law, who is a certified Ford mechanic, look at it. He ran the self tests and came up with a P0605 code, stating TCM ROM failure. My question is, are they user replaceable, and what is the approximate cost of a new TCM? – Kelly, from Tennessee.
PT's utilize an integrated Transmission Control Module and Powertrain Control Module. They are combined into a single control module called the Next Generation Controller (NGC) and referred to as the Powertrain Control Module (PCM). The Transmission Control System is part of the Powertrain Control Module.
P0605 - Internal Transmission Controller - Transmission control module ROM self-test fault detected.
Possible causes include: PCM- Internal Error
Inspect the wiring and connectors. Pay particular attention to all power and ground circuits. If there are no possible causes remaining replace the Powertrain Control Module. This is not a DIY repair; see your dealer for associated costs.
1728. I have a 2004 BE PT with 61k miles. The PT drives like a charm on the freeway with or without the A/C on. Sometimes, when I start it or when waiting my turn at a light (with the A/C on), the idle drops and it sounds like it's going to die (luckily, it has never died or completely stalled.) If I turn the A/C off, it stops idling low and works like a charm again. It doesn't do it very frequently, but it's scary just to see it doing that. I have changed the IAC valve, did fuel injection flush, tune up, and added fuel system cleaner. Any ideas? – Jesus, from Texas.
The PCM adjusts engine idle speed through the idle air control valve to compensate for engine load, coolant temperature or barometric pressure changes based upon a variety of inputs, including the throttle position sensor, crankshaft position sensor, coolant temperature sensor, MAP sensor, vehicle speed sensor and various switch operations including brake, park/neutral and A/C. See Tech Library, OEM Engine Performance subsection. Review stalling and low idle issues.
1729. I have a 2006 BE PT with 30k miles. The engine light came on and I have a P2097 fault code. – Ciaran, from Canada.
P2097-Down Stream Fuel System 1/2 Rich
Possible causes include:
Engine Mechanical Problem
O2 Signal Circuit
O2 Return Circuit
A diagnostic is available in the service manual or through the Pit area on the site if you wish to pursue this on your own, otherwise see your dealer. (You may still be under warranty.)
1730. I have a 2006 BE PT with 22k miles. I can set hours on the digital clock, but not minutes; by holding the time button hours will blink and allow you to change by adjusting radio tuner button, but can not switch to minutes to change them. The manual advises pushing a pen into hole to toggle between hours and minutes; no hole on panel to do this with. Other directions in manual are not on equipment panel as shown. Please assist; thanks! – Karn, from Ohio.
Your description suggests that you didn't follow the procedure as provided in the 2006 owner and service manual dependent upon clock or display. If these are not applicable to your vehicle see your dealer.
Setting - Analog Clock
To set the analog clock at the top center of the instrument panel, press and hold the button until the setting is correct. The clock will adjust slowly at first and then quicker the longer the button is held.
Setting - Radio Display
Sales Code REF — Am/Fm/Cd (Single Disc) Radio With Optional Satellite Radio and Hands Free Phone Capability
Sales Code RAQ – Am/Fm/Cd (6-Disc) Radio With Optional Satellite Radio, Hands Free Phone, and Vehicle Entertainment Systems (VES) Capabilities
Note: The radio sales code is located on the lower right side of your radio faceplate.
1. Press and hold the time button until the hours blink.
2. Adjust the hours by turning the right side Tune/ Audio control.
3. After the hours are adjusted, press the right side Tune/Audio control to set the minutes. The minutes will begin to blink.
4. Adjust the minutes using the right side Tune/Audio control.
5. To exit, press any button/knob or wait 5 seconds.
1731. We have a 2001 LE PT (2.0L) with 58k miles. Since we've had the car we've never managed to get the front fog lights working, I put this down to a faulty switch, but after three months of no problems we came out to find the car's front fog lights had switched themselves on while it was locked up on the street, which drained the battery. We jump started it to drive home. -The battery light on the dashboard came on and continued to stay on. Since then we've not been able to get it started, and simply getting in the car causes odd electrical faults like the speedometer showing high speeds and the lights flickering. Our local mechanic can't find a fault. Could this be a battery short or a fuse/relay somewhere? Great website! – Tony, from the UK.
The behavior of the fog lamps and erratic flickering of the lights suggests a shorted or failing multifunction switch. They can be checked with a multimeter using a diagnostic in the service manual or Pit area on the site. The battery light is actually an indicator for your charging system. The charging, starting or battery systems are interconnected. When one system fails it affects the remaining two therefore each system must be tested to ensure complete functionality.
Follow up by owner - Yes the switch was faulty, and we found the battery needed replacing and terminals needed cleaning. Since this was done, all problems solved. Thank you.
1732. I have a 2005 BE PT Convertible with 2k miles. Something is draining my battery. I measured 540ma with the ignition off. When I disconnect the radio/CD from the car it drops to 113ma. With the OE radio off and still connected, I pulled it out of the car and it was extremely hot! Could this possibly be my battery drain problem and is 114ma of off ignition drain an acceptable amount? Help please! - Mike, from USA.
Your vehicle appears to be under warranty; we suggest that you have the dealer check it out.
If you insist on DIY, the average vehicle electrical system usually draws from five to thirty-five milliamperes (0.005 to 0.035 ampere) with the ignition switch in the Off position, and all non-ignition controlled circuits in proper working order. If you're experiencing battery drain or excessive ignition off draw you'll find a diagnostic in the Pit area on the site to help troubleshoot and isolate the issue. When troubleshooting an IOD issue, it's a good idea to check the charging and battery systems to rule out any potential issues there.
1733. I have a 2004 TE PT with LO turbo and 50k miles. I am interested in competing with the SRT-4's. I understand I have a low output turbo; with the stage 1 upgrade what does that change? How much HP should I expect to gain from the upgrade? – Elliot, from Kansas.
With the introduction of the LO engine option in 2004, model year owners had 3 choices:
150 hp – Non-Aspirated
180 hp – Turbo LO
220 hp – Turbo HO
The stage 1 turbo upgrade kit pushes the power and performance of the 2.4-liter turbocharged engine in 2003-2004 PT Turbos' to 235 hp with 260 ft-lbs of torque. The PCM has been calibrated for increased wide-open throttle and part-throttle boost, more aggressive exhaust note during deceleration, improved turbo response, enhanced first-gear boost schedule for a higher performance launch and a boost hold feature during wide-open throttle shifts.
2004 Automatic Transaxle – Stage 1 Upgrade kit P/N P4510597
You'll find an installation guide in the Pit area if interested. For additional questions contact the Mopar Performance Hotline at 1-888-528-4364.
1734. We have a 2004 GT (HO) with 50k miles. The problem usually occurs when the car is cold. After starting the engine the oil indicator light comes on and the engine is runs rough. The problem can be cured by turning the engine off and starting again. We have taken the car to the dealership in Washington and in California where we originally bought it. We started having problems at about 25K with the engine warning light coming on, the dealer told us that he never finds anything other then maintenance items (plugs, wires and throttle body). We have maintained the car per the manual. We would appreciate any help or recommendations. – Clark, from Washington.
If you have an oil light that is an indication of low (4-5psi) oil pressure. Low oil pressure usually means the engine isn't getting enough oil which can lead to trouble quickly for the rod and main bearings, and upper valve train components. Therefore any indication of low oil pressure should not be ignored and should be diagnosed immediately. Possible causes for a drop in oil pressure include:
1. Low oil level.
2. Faulty oil pressure sending unit.
3. Clogged oil filter.
4. Worn parts in oil pump.
5. Thin or diluted oil. (Oil viscosity too thin for hot weather or too thick for cold weather.)
6. Oil pump relief valve stuck.
7. Oil pump suction tube loose.
8. Oil pump cover warped or cracked.
9. Excessive bearing clearance. (The most common cause in high mileage engines and or engines that have been poorly maintained.)
Often, intermittent problems are diagnosed as electrical (failing sensors, connectors, frayed wiring, corrosion, etc.) issues. If you're experiencing an intermittent oil indicator lamp check the condition of the oil pressure switch, connector and wiring. The oil pressure switch is a pressure sensitive switch that is activated by the engine's oil pressure (in the main oil gallery) and located on the right rear side of the engine block. Although not 100% conclusive, try disconnecting the oil pressure switch and checking the warning indicator. If the indicator remains on with the switch disconnected, there may be a short to ground in the indicator circuit.
The dealer can test the switch, and also determine if the engine has adequate oil pressure at idle and normal rpm. If oil pressure reads low at idle, they may want to check for a plugged oil filter, than inspect the oil pump and bearings.
On the PT rough idle issues are primarily caused and addressed by what your dealer has replaced. See Tech Library, OEM Engine Performance for additional suggestions.
1735. We have a 2002 TE PT with 105k miles. We are having problems with the radiator fan. It doesn't kick on in high or low speed. We tested the fan by using a jump wire. The electric fan works fine. It seems to be the fan switch, but we are unable to find the location of it. We are aware that the high, and low speed relays lay beneath the battery. These aren't what we need though. Do you know where the fan switch is located? Thanks. – Frank, from Indiana.
There is no switch. Radiator fan operation is controlled by the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) with inputs from the temperature of the coolant, which is sensed by the coolant temperature sensor, and vehicle speed, which is measured by the vehicle speed sensor. The PCM turns on the fan through either the high or low speed fan relay. Your local dealer can test the fan under all normal operating parameters with their DRB scan tool to determine where the problem lies. If necessary, you'll find an OE radiator fan guide and wiring schematics in the Pit area on the site.
1736. I have a 2006 TE PT convertible with 14.7k miles. The exterior temperature gauge went to -17 degrees, then settled on 28 degrees and won't show proper temps. – Len, from N.Y.
It could be an issue with the Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC), instrument cluster, ambient temperature sensor, Totally Integrated Power Module (TIPM), or Controller Area Network (CAN) data bus circuit. Your vehicle is under warranty; see your dealer.
1737. I have a 2001 LE PT with 105k miles. Both rear turn signals do not work. Bulbs changed w/o correcting problem. I downloaded a schematic Ckt Diagram of electrical system however can't seem to find a turn signal relay. Is there an actual relay or is it microprocessor controlled (driver output). – Will, from Illinois.
The turn signal flasher and the hazard warning flasher are combined into one unit called a combination flasher. It is clearly identified in the OE SM wiring schematics. The combo-flasher is a smart relay located on the back of the multi-function switch. Test the relay by simply turning on the emergency flasher and checking the front and rear lights. If all are working the relay is probably ok. Next, and most likely component to check, is the multi-function switch. A number of these have failed. You'll find a diagnostic for checking the switch in the Pit area.
1738. I have a 2007 TE PT. It came with the standard Single CD head unit. I have a couple of questions about installing a couple of amps. I'm going to hook up two Kenwood KSC-WD250's. These are 10" Kenwood powered subs. The amp is built into the box. And already comes with all of the wires needed. First, does this unit come with factory with RCA outputs? Second, I read that the PT can come with an optional factory installed amp and sub. I was curious to know where they mount the factory sub and amp at, and are there already connections in place in the wiring harness to be used for such a thing? If there is, where in the car are they found? Any info on this would be appreciated. Thanks. - Forum post, Chuck, from USA.
To the best of my knowledge there are no RCA outputs on the OE radio. The optional factory installed subwoofer for the 2007 model year is available on the Touring, Limited and GT editions. They are not available as an optional purchase (after the owner takes possession of the vehicle) for DIY installation for the 2005 model year or later at this time. They're (subwoofer and integrated amp) installed in the left rear quarter trim panel (driverside, behind the rear passenger seat). The wiring harness is not included with the vehicle, however one is provided as part of the subwoofer kit. A Mopar subwoofer installation guide (for 2001-2004 PT) is available in the Pit area on the site. I would suggest that you address all installation questions related to aftermarket equipment to a local pro sound shop. Enjoy your new PT.
1739. I have a 2002 TE PT with 14k miles. The MIL light came on after an accident. The technician said it was the power steering sensor. He reset it and it stayed off for maybe 8 miles, than came back on. He said if it came back on the powering steering sensor should be replaced. What does that sensor do and is it important to be replaced? – Pamela, from Tennessee.
Yes, it is necessary. The pressure switch improves vehicle idle quality by causing a readjustment of the engine idle speed as necessary when increased fluid pressure is sensed in the power steering system. Incorrect idle can result in reduced mpg and drivability issues.
Your local dealer will charge approximately $200 (labor and parts) to replace it. Many owners with average automotive skills have DIY for the cost of the switch/sensor, approximately $45 through the dealer parts department.
2002 Model Year, Domestic PT - SWITCH, Power Steering P/N 5269 625
If you do not own a service guide, you'll find an installation guide in the Pit area on the site.
1740. I have a 2002 LE PT with 23k miles. The battery died. I started the car with jumpers, drove a while, then it recharged. I car sat for 2 days and the battery was dead again. We thought maybe an interior light was left on, so we made sure to turn off the interior lights with the multifunction switch and confirm no lights were left on. Car started fine unless it sat for a few days, so I figured it needed a new battery. I bought a new battery, installed it, and it ran fine. We drove it every day for a week and all was good. Then we let it sit for a week and it was totally dead. I read the voltage at the battery terminals and it was 10.6 volts. I surmised that the battery I replaced was probably OK and that this is another problem. I jumped it again and took it to my local mechanic. We put a voltage tester between the neg terminal of the battery and the disconnected negative cable and observed a current draw with the car turned off and all lights out. We pulled fuses, one at a time, until we observed no current draw. The offending circuit was fuse #13 (dashboard). It supplies power to the interior lights. My mechanic thinks it is the module that dims the interior lights slowly after you exit the vehicle. He says they are notorious for leaking power. Do you agree, and if so, where is this module located and can I fix it myself? Thanks. – JC, from New Jersey.
We've only received a handful of excessive ignition off draw complaints during the last seven years. The majority were due to aftermarket product installations and or issues with the battery/charging system. The battery, starting and charging systems are interdependent therefore all systems must be in spec as part of any IOD diagnostic. The average vehicle electrical system usually draws from five to thirty-five milliamperes (0.005 to 0.035 ampere) with the ignition switch in the Off position, and all non-ignition controlled circuits in proper working order. The wiring schematics do not identify a specific module that controls the interior lights nor is the operation described within the SM. It is our understanding that the interior lighting is controlled by the instrument cluster, which is not serviceable. (Verify this through your local dealer.) When deemed defective clusters are simply replaced by the dealer. Fuse #13 (10amp) feeds the IC, SKIM, power mirror switch, RKEM, cargo lamp, overhead console, left/right visor lamp and dome lamp. If you would like to review the wiring schematics and the OE diagnostic for troubleshooting excessive IOD issues they are available through the Pit area on the site.
1741. I have a 2001 LE PT with 81k miles. The overhead map lights (mounted in the overhead, center console with the sunroof switch and compass) stopped working. The bulbs are good and I have deducted that the switches are bad, because when I play with the switches, the bulbs come on intermittently. I called the dealer and was told the entire unit has to be replaced at $254.00. The switches can't be more than $5-$10 each, but the dealer says they aren't available by themselves. Any suggestions? - Dave, from California.
The dealer is correct; the lamps and lens are the only serviceable parts of the module. Perhaps there's some corrosion present. Try removing the bulbs and cleaning the receptacles. If that doesn't help check with your local salvage yards for a less expensive solution.
Module, Overhead Console P/N TB77 MF1AD W/Sunroof
Module, Overhead Console P/N TB86 MF1AD WO/Sunroof
1742. I have a 2003 BE PT with 49k miles. After the engine warms up the leak detection pump starts clicking. It continues for as long as the engine runs. The check engine light has never come on. I checked it with a scan tool and all systems passed. I replaced the leak detection pump, which did not help. Everyone within 20 feet of the PT can here it. Any opinion or ideas would certainly be appreciated. Can the purge solenoid malfunction without causing the MIL to come on? – Tom, from North Carolina.
Assuming that the leak detection pump (NVLD system) is causing the clicking sound there are several components that will affect vehicle emissions if they malfunction. If one of these components malfunctions the MIL will illuminate. The following is a list of the monitored components:
EGR (if equipped)
Fuel Control (rich/lean)
Oxygen Sensor Monitor
Oxygen Sensor Heater Monitor
Natural Vacuum Leak Detection (NVLD)
Along with the major monitors, OBD II requires that the diagnostic system monitor any comprehensive component that could affect emissions levels. In many cases, these components were being tested under OBD I. The OBD I requirements focused mainly on testing emissions-related components for electrical opens and shorts. However, OBD II also requires that inputs from powertrain components to the PCM be tested for rationality, and that outputs to powertrain components from the PCM be tested for functionality. The PCM outputs monitored for functionality include:
Torque Converter Clutch Solenoid
Ile Air Control
Proportional Purge Solenoid
Radiator Fan Control
The Proportional Purge Solenoid is monitored and can cause a MIL, however there have been instances when marginal functioning components caused issues, but did not generate a MIL until complete failure.
1743. We have a 2003 GT PT with 52k miles and manual transaxle. Do you have to take the motor out in order to replace the clutch? –Bob, from USA.
No, but to replace the modular clutch the transaxle must be removed. Do not attempt without a service manual.
1744. I have a 2004 TE PT with 31k miles. I'm having a problem with my ABS brakes and the dealer diagnosed it as a bad controller but didn't explain what a controller is. Thank you. – Irene, from Rhode Island.
Simply put, the controller antilock brake (CAB) is a microprocessor- based device which monitors the ABS system during normal braking and controls it when the vehicle is in an ABS stop.
1745. I have a 2003 GT with a 6 CD changer. The plastic spindle in the changer unit broke so I went and purchased a used 6 CD unit out of a 2006 Jeep TJ from our local salvage dealer. The units were identical other than the 03 unit had the bass/treble and balance sliders and knobs in the lower left corner where the new unit controlled these features through buttons and menu controls. The harness and Pin configurations looked identical. When I installed the new unit, the unit would not let me load CDs. I took the unit back to the dealer who said that they had received a number of these units back for the same issue - they worked in the vehicle that they were taken out of but not in the new vehicle. Is the 06 unit not compatible with my car? The dealer wondered whether there was some programming that needed to be done with the car's computer to accept the new unit (anti theft feature). I didn't see anything in the forums which addressed this. Has anyone experienced this problem or know about the compatibility? Thanks for your help. – Forum post, from USA.
I can't provide you with an absolute, but based upon previous feedback from owners, you may encounter compatibility issues with a Jeep radio.
What you might want to do is check Ebay. A number of PT owners dump perfectly good OE radios there when they upgrade to aftermarket products. You can usually pick up a replacement at a much lower cost than the dealer will charge. Make sure that you select an identical model to avoid any installation issues.
No programming is required on the domestic PT, only the export models.
OE Radio options for the 2003 model year PT:
1. AM/FM/cassette with CD changer control feature (RBY, RBT or RAD sales code).
2. AM/FM/cassette/CD/ (RAZ sales code), AM/FM/CD with CD changer control (RBK sales code).
3. AM/FM/CD with 6 CD changer (RBQ sales code).
4. Satellite Receiver Module.
1746. I have a 2004 BE PT with 36k miles that is using about a quart of oil every 1000 miles. I pulled the hose off the PCV valve and noticed traces of oil. To me that indicates a problem with the valve cover oil baffle. There are no other leaks in the engine. I took it to the dealership and they replaced the PCV valve (I questioned that but it was free) and glued the hose on to the valve (to help with the leak??). I drove it home and noticed traces of oil in the top part near the air plenum. My question is...did Chrysler fix the oil splash guard in 2005 and would a 2005 valve cover fit on my 2004? Thanks for your time. – Richard, from Georgia.
Believe it or not your oil usage is considered normal by DC. Small amounts of oil in the air box assembly and PCV are also considered normal. This has been an issue for some owners since the PT was released in 2001 and in particular early model year PT's due to an issue with an incorrect valve cover on a small number of 2.4L engines. It should have been corrected by DC long before the 2004 model year was released. You'll find some information about this in our Tech Library, Engine subsection and this dedicated web site, which was started by an owner who experienced a similiar problem.
The IPB lists the same P/N for the 2004 and 2005 model year valve covers, which suggests they are identical.
Cylinder Head Cover P/N 4777 473AD EDZ engine
GASKET, Valve Cover P/N 4777 478 EDZ engine
1747. I have a 2005 TE PT with 53k miles. The other morning after driving to work I parked my PT and tried to remove the key. It wouldn't come out feels as if the ignition wont turn all the way back like it use to, so now the key is just stuck there. The car stills runs fine when I turn the key forward, but I can't remove it from the ignition and feel very unsafe leaving the key in my PT. Thank you for any help. – Leann, from Maryland.
There have been a number of ignition switch related issues over all model years. Try spraying a little WD-40 into the ignition switch and gently cycling the key back and forth. Then attempt to remove it. If that doesn't help, try slightly turning the steering wheel from side to side, while turning the key. If that fails see your local dealer. You can leave the key in the ignition tonight, but I would only do so if I could garage the PT and use the spare key to arm and lock the vehicle.
1748.I have a 2007 TE PT with 185 miles. I am too short to reach the recessed handle on the rear hatch. Since I can't be the first person under 5 feet to drive a PT, I figured there must be some aftermarket products out there to assist me - besides a stool! I've been unable to find an aftermarket product that would keep the struts on the hatch from extending as far so I can reach the recessed handle. Or, could there be a strap to attach in the right place for leverage that would dangle down far enough for me to reach? Thanks. – Faye, from California.
Actually, the question hasn't been asked before. I'm not aware of any products that would limit the travel of the door and I'm not sure that would be advisable. Most owners want as much access as possible for cargo loading concerns.
As you suggested a strap attached to the door might be the easiest and most practical solution. You'll have to experiment with the attachment point to ensure the strap does not get caught in the door when it's closed. A retractable strap might be ideal, assuming there is such a thing. You might try Goggling “door strap” or “retractable door strap”.
1749. I have a 2002 LE PT with 175k miles. The fuel gauge indicator will not go to full. When the tank is full the gauge shows 3/4 full. – Jimmy, from Tennessee.
Possible causes include the fuel gauge (cluster), fuel level sensor or short in the circuit. There was also a TSB for this issue on the 2001 model. See Tech Library, Fuel System subsection.
1750. My PT engine light popped on and I'm receiving a P0455 fault code. I have tried disconnecting battery and erasing the code with my OBDII tool several times, but it keeps coming back. I replaced the gas cap, checked the hoses and even lowered the gas tank, but I still see the DTC. Should I look beyond EVAP system? A friendly soul suggested EGR valve replacement. - Chris, forum poster.
The DTC will continue to reoccur as long as the issue which initially triggered it exists.
P0455 (M) Evap Leak Monitor Large Leak Detected. A large leak has been detected in the evaporative system.
Possible causes include:
Visual and Physical Inspection
Evaporative Emission Leak Detection
Evap Purge Solenoid Operation
NVLD Switch Operation
Most of the diagnostic tests for this DTC require the use of a DRB III scan tool, diagnostic manual and Evaporative Emission Leak Detector (EELD), however there are a few thing you can check.
A loose gas cap could have caused this DTC to set. Make sure gas cap is tight and in good condition.
Perform a visual and physical inspection of the entire Evaporative Emission system. Check for the follow conditions:
1. Holes or cracks
2. Loose seal points
3. Evidence of damaged components
4. Incorrect routing of hoses and tubes
5. Fuel Cap gasket seal
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